Posts by Nicholaus Kopernicus

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Clue re approach to Annual Report in Jan 2018 MWB

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

at the agm on oct 7th, his eminence miserable morris iii stated the jw yearbook would cease publication and that the annual report would instead be released via the "about us" menu in the jw website.

related to this, the "life and ministry meeting workbook - january 2018 (living as christians)" outlines the following item to be considered jan 1-7 2018...."annual service report: (15 min.

) talk by an elder.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

Hello George One Time:

You might well be right and the item could be intended for the local congregation. However, in that the script in the Jan 2018 MWB specifically mentions... "after reading the letter from the branch office regarding the annual service report"... I was rather assuming the reference was strongly alluding to the world wide annual report.

If we look at this year's January MWB it states.....

"Local Needs: (15 min.) As an option, discuss the lessons learned from the Yearbook. (yb16 140-142)"

So they did give the choice of local needs or use of the year book. I note too, that on many occasions the GB hijacks the "Local Needs" for their own message so that it is in reality not a local need. Thus, I strongly suspect that the emphasis in Jan 2018 will be on the world wide (emasculated) annual report.

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Clue re approach to Annual Report in Jan 2018 MWB

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

at the agm on oct 7th, his eminence miserable morris iii stated the jw yearbook would cease publication and that the annual report would instead be released via the "about us" menu in the jw website.

related to this, the "life and ministry meeting workbook - january 2018 (living as christians)" outlines the following item to be considered jan 1-7 2018...."annual service report: (15 min.

) talk by an elder.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

At the AGM on Oct 7th, his eminence Miserable Morris III stated the JW yearbook would cease publication and that the annual report would instead be released via the "about us" menu in the JW website. Related to this, the "Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook - January 2018 (LIVING AS CHRISTIANS)" outlines the following item to be considered Jan 1-7 2018....

"Annual Service Report: (15 min.) Talk by an elder. After reading the letter from the branch office regarding the annual service report, interview publishers, selected in advance, who had outstanding experiences in the ministry during the past year."

It struck me that this is very advanced notice of a WT letter being issued. I can't remember such notice before.

These points arise in my mind immediately...
1. The wording of the above item suggests the annual report will have been published online prior to Jan 2017.
2. Will the annual report be lesser in detail compared with the workbook? Will the letter from WT excuse such as a further example of "keeping a simple eye" and/or augment the absence of a 2018 yearbook similarly?
3. I suspect that the interviewing of publishers who "had outstanding experiences" is designed to distract from the negative growth in the organisation. So it's local experiences which hold primacy! Never mind the negative growth. I suspect the GB will be trying to emasculate the negative growth.
4. The interviewees are to be "selected in advance" rather than broad impromptu participation via raising of hands. So the item is to be carefully managed. Hard to do a worse job than that done by Miserable Morris at the AGM however.

I do hope this latest mess by the GB will cause more JWs to reflect and begin the process of disengagement.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Nicholaus Kopernicus

The decisions revealed at the AGM perhaps lend credance to the subject of this thread. The impression is of a need to drastically curtail expenditure. COs represent a significant expenditure.

The GB has been ruthless so far in making savings - elimination of many bethalites, special pioneers, DOs, sale of kingdom hells. This ruthlessness will likely continue. The GB is now blind to the message of 1 Cor 13 - "love is kind" and are a bunch of self-appointed and cold hearted overlords who worship the "obese altar of the $". So eliminating COs may come to be. They will surely have discussed it as an option. If they are reluctant, then the deteriorating state of accounts may force their hands.

There are many ambitious elders who would take delight in the role of standing in as a CO on a temporary basis and thus help "kingdom resources" go further. The GB could portray such a change as a further example of "keeping a simple eye" as they like to say. Just add a bit more to the syllabus of the kingdom elders' school - that'll do it!

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Explanation please on the change of the term "worldly"

by careful in

i've picked up from several replies to posts here that the org has stopped using the term "worldly" as it applies to people.

this must have happened after i left.

would someone be so kind as to explain the "rationale" behind this shift?

Nicholaus Kopernicus

They may have stopped using the term "worldly" in literature as others have observed. However, there is nothing published - that I'm aware of - which gives counsel against using the term in day to day speech. I heard it used only last week.

What I would say, is that the printed language used by the governing body is even worse than their choice of "worldly" hitherto. Consider the language employed in the January 2018 study Watchtower for instance, which is truly egregious....

"Likewise, many of us live and work with those who are infected with attitudes and characteristics that run counter to godly qualities.... We will also see how we can protect ourselves from being infected..."

So now, non JWs are infected individuals who spread contagion from which JWs need protection. Not a Christian way to see others. More than anything else, this is a revelation of the dark thinking of the governing body and its writing committee. Far far removed from anything which could be considered as even remotely edifying!

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A Comment from jwsurvey.org

by HiddlesWife in

i read some information from jwsurvey.org the other day and a poster ("big b") posted the following comment (these main words i highlighted in bold) which really stood out to me: .

there is no place in an modern world for this organization but watch its downward spiral into the abyss of historic oblivion as most of the adventist millerite movement has already taken.

the jehovah’s witnesses are shown that the organization is corrupt and lies through its teeth are being intellectually dishonest with nobody but themselves as this recent survey shows.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

The referral to JWs as "These idiots..." is parallel to the way the governing body sees people who are not JWs or who have a different opinion.

For example, the January 2018 study WT says the following re non-JWs....

"... many of us live and work with those who are infected with attitudes and characteristics that run counter to godly qualities. .... We will also see how we can protect ourselves from being infected."

This is egregious language on the part of the governing body and its writing committee. They really do look down on others who are not JWs. So does "Big B" similarly look down on others in describing those JWs as "these idiots". Reminds me of the third reich's use of the term "untermenschen". Good injection of respect for others is needed!

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"Jehovah's Witnesses look in other direction" (Oct 12th 2017)

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

appaling report pertaing to the $4000 daily penalty against the watchtower.

they're squirming.... .

https://m.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/oct/12/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-look-another-direction/?templates=mobile.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

Appaling report pertaing to the $4000 daily penalty against the Watchtower. They're squirming....

https://m.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/oct/12/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-look-another-direction/?templates=mobile

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If WT are cutting back on mags will they also cut back on Bethelites?

by truthseeker in

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friends

i was thinking after hearing about the agm cutbacks to the mags and other website content surely they will end up dismissing more bethelites?

i would have thought in the old days, before the web, an artist or writer at bethel would have been a full time job making content for four 32 page mags a month.

now what are these guys going to do?.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

The plan revealed by arrogant Anthony is a reduction in WT frequency, and if I understand his eminence correctly, an end to the duality of standard and simplified study WTs. Additionally, I understood his holiness to say that subject matters may not be added to and that a significant amount of digital media will be frozen. So repetition / reprints may be the future pattern. The present paucity of creativity will be the new reality / standard.

Thus, I'm expecting more haemorraging of bethalites too. They might only be safe if they're working in a video production department. His Royal Highness didn't say video production will be reduced.

There may be other consequences though. In that the annual report via the yearbook is no more, it remains to be seen if the level of detail in the digital version of the annual report is maintained. If not, or if the report is released in segments, then the importance of submitting reports may be lost on JWs. Irregularity in reporting may increase. Secretaries may have to get assertive to maintain the flow of reports from JWs. This in itself could be quite problematic locally.

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AGM - Are they now teaching predestination?

by Doubting Bro in

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another agm thought.

in tight pants tony's part, he mentioned several times that jehovah draws those he chooses and only those rightly disposed would come in.

and individuals that liked the literature but made no progress towards becoming jw were a "waste of time".. was he setting the stage for them introducing the thought of predestination?

Nicholaus Kopernicus

Good observation Doubting Bro. I too was struck by the frequency of his using the phrase "rightly disposed".

At first I thought this is Morris merely projecting his conceit and arrogance as well as his disdain of others whose beliefs are divergent from that of WT teaching.

Whilst I still see the GB as conceited and arrogant, yet his repeated use of "rightly disposed" reminds me of the teaching of an "elect". If memory serves me correctly, I think it's a Calvinist teaching / doctrine.

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The cut back

by Akid48 in

does the cut back for 6 magazines for the year show how there losing money or just cutting back.i feel going to begging for peoples money than just chargeing money for a magazine was kinda killing money.but they do get a lot of property and they can just sell that making money.. it seems to early for me to make a full opinion on the topic i wanted to know what others think about this..

Nicholaus Kopernicus

Akid48: an indication of their status is the plea for money in the Jan 2018 WT (study edition).

Hitherto, these articles were read only and printed in the WT once per year. Now they are study articles (question and answer) so a whole hour devoted to them at meetings.The last such article was several months ago with a graphic of a hand hovering above a donation box with banknote to the fore.

So the WTBTS is getting 2018 off to a good start with their unwritten but demonstrative philosophy of TAKE! TAKE! TAKE!

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Audio of Highlights of the Annual Meeting 2017

by LevelThePlayingField in

i wouldn't dare bore you with the whole 3.5 hours of their dogma.

but i have about a half hour of some of the main points.

of course, i made sure tight pants tony was the main part of it, since he's the one that announced the reductions of the wt & awake and no more year book.. also, i have lett saying that jehovah gave jesus immorality instead of immortality.

Nicholaus Kopernicus

Thank you very much LTPF.

I usually can't bear listening to these individuals but on this occassion paid rapt attention. I noted the over use AM made of "those rightly disposed" for everlasting life. He went as far as to say that preaching to those "not rightly disposed is a waste of time". Hitherto, the approach that was taken was that such was never a waste as it serves as a witness / warning. As the "last days" proceed, they are certainly intensifying their conceit and disdain of those who dare to think for themselves.